LCM hardly had any eruite research IMHO. He researched things and made it excathedra for his own selfish reasons. Remember? Eve was a lesbian? He tried to use old painting of a woman and a serpent near a tree with "sexual" connoctations assumed.
The funny thing to me is LCM referred to lesbians as pillow biters, yet my understanding of his adulterous affairs included girl on girl action. That spells hypocrite to me.
Can't blame that one on lcm's hateful screeds- he didn't make it up,
and he didn't take it out of context.
(For him, that almost qualifies as erudite research!)
As your links show, while the term "breeders" is correct as far as being a derogatory term used for heterosexuals, to say (as Craig did) that all gays and lesbians use the term is as ludicrous as saying all white people use the n word to describe African Americans.
LCM made it sound (to my teenage, niave ears) as if all the gays and lesbians were working together in a secret underground network to systematically overthrow civilization and make us all homosexual.
Remember? Eve was a lesbian? He tried to use old painting of a woman and a serpent near a tree with "sexual" connoctations assumed.
I've heard this before on this forum and the thought is ludicrous. First of all, who would Eve have been a lesbian with?
...my understanding of his adulterous affairs included girl on girl action. That spells hypocrite to me.
I heard that they used to recruit women to "service" him before a big speech or presentation. I didn't read that on this forum, I was told by the only ex-Wayfer I personally know.
LCM said the devil came to Eve in the form of a woman to have lesbian sex with her, and that was man's original sin.
When I heard this is his WAP class, my jaw was hitting the floor. LCM and his butt kissers were so proud of that class because it presented the Word in a better way than the outdated PFAL did. I think he liked shock and awe. I knew people who were just chomping at the bit to hear what LCM had to say or teach (me included ). That class was so full of crap, I'm surprised we couldn't smell it back then.
LCM said his teaching on Eve's lesbian encouter was the reason why VPW's Christian Family and Sex Class didn't take off that well. Supposedly VPW was headed in the right direction with masturbation being the original sin, but it was not quite the answer according to LCM.
Did anyone else hear CF&S and scratch their head every single time they heard the masturbation sin thing and still never get it?
The funny thing to me is LCM referred to lesbians as pillow biters, yet my understanding of his adulterous affairs included girl on girl action. That spells hypocrite to me.
Nah, he was just planning on using it as a teaching example for Way of Abundance and Power II: The Porno
I was shocked at how unable I was to spot homosexuals in the early 90s when it seemed craig saw homosexuals around every corner and under every rock - kinda like he did with devil spurts. I was stunned to hear that this cop out and that cop out had been found out to be homosexual and I never had a clue.
Then it was my son and myself that were accused of being homosexual - I knew that I knew that I knew that I was not homosexual and even if we had been, kicking us out was the best they could do to help us? That's when I got a clue of just how wacked craig had become.
Funny thing, within a year of us being kicked out of twi I worked rather closely with a homosexual gentleman - know what? He was so much nicer and easier to get along with than craig ever was - or so many of the craigwannabes in twi - that was the beginning of my thinking for myself and considering more than simply, 'craig said it - that settles it - i believe it!"
It was so embarrassing to be sitting in that rockofages last night meeting where craig lost his mind barking about homos and all the hate he spewed.
Have I mentioned how thankful I am that they kicked us out?
Freedom to think for ourselves - such a beautiful thing!
Today I'm on track to be licensed as a lay minister and fill pulpits for churches without full-time pastors! The church I attend has an organ player that is gay and everyone treats him like - gasp - a normal human being!!! It is such a more pleasant way to live.
I was shocked at how unable I was to spot homosexuals in the early 90s when it seemed craig saw homosexuals around every corner and under every rock - kinda like he did with devil spurts. I was stunned to hear that this cop out and that cop out had been found out to be homosexual and I never had a clue.
Then it was my son and myself that were accused of being homosexual - I knew that I knew that I knew that I was not homosexual and even if we had been, kicking us out was the best they could do to help us? That's when I got a clue of just how wacked craig had become.
That whole thing was like a version of the Salem witch hunts for gays. Which targeting a group like that is just retarded. Show me where Jesus ever did that on earth. Or any of the apostles.
And whenever you have stupid people on a task of narrowminded witch hunting, you think they will ever make a mistake? You guys were collateral damage.
bowtwi i cringe and feel ill every time i hear your account so sad
outandaboutie you always make me laugh -- i'm sorry it's not funny but it is in a twisted way. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha did you know the original sin was masturbation? i just can't fathom it. oh god what lunatics we were
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thank you for the light about the snake being a lesbian
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soulsearcher, sadly -- oh i don't know if i even want to get into it
my friend serviced martindale when he visited their wow group branch whatever it was called -- he had her do it while he was on the phone with donna -- it made it more exciting i guess -- must have been a hot teaching that night
i'm sick to my stomach and my heart really did break -- i don't know if it does anymore
my friend serviced martindale when he visited their wow group branch whatever it was called -- he had her do it while he was on the phone with donna -- it made it more exciting i guess -- must have been a hot teaching that night
i'm sick to my stomach and my heart really did break -- i don't know if it does anymore
That man was sick and a monster as was VeePee. The current board of dummies knows about this and no doubt so much more and are just as guilty for covering it up and perpetuating the "image" of VeePee. I am really sorry your friend was victimized this way, Excathedra.
The current board of dummies knows about this and no doubt so much more and are just as guilty for covering it up and perpetuating the "image" of VeePee.
They are guilty of much more than simply covering it up. They were active participants.
Interesting enough is the idea that king okie's wife was going headlong into a lesbian relationship at the same time that king okie was blathering and screaming about homosexuals...
Martindale was an foot...arrogance without virtue is always annoying. I left twi before the okie put his class out...glad I did...from what I've read and heard, that "class" he did was nothing short of a comedy skit on a second rate billing. Martindale's "knowledge of the word" was non existant and his sprituality was akin to Moe Howard's grasp on brain surgery.
It's very possible the CLM was a repressed bi-sexual man. I'm no Doctor of Pyschology but his actions do stand to question his own sexuality.
I, for one, have gone to extreme lengths to rid myself of this homosexual Debel spirit...fearing hell and all that. I am not a "man-hater" and was never M&A'd. I married to prove to myself that I was delivered and really enjoyed him, but still had my secret fantasies. As a cheerleader and a teenager I remember how suicide would be the only answer.
I thoroughly understand what homosexuals go through in society. The bigotry, hatred, and ignorance is truly unwarranted.
Not one of my homosexual friends or lovers have ever tried to deceive me spiritually or take 10% plus of my income for their personal profit. They have been more loving and caring without conditions placed upon me than any Way Disciple I have dealt with lately. God knows what my sexuality is...I can't hide it from Him; so why hide it at all anymore?
I have read other threads where homosexuality is discussed. Without a doubt I feel homosexuality is genetic. With so much hatred promoted by the majority of the Christian religion, to the point of even murder, "why" would anyone choose to be Gay?
The best advice I have for LCM is to explore his sexual fantasies, but not at the expense of hurting others.
Remember Jim Baker from that Christian TV Network (PTL or something like that)that absolutely hated homosexuals? Turned out that ol' CLM...I mean Jim, was a latent homosexual!
but way people -- leaders -- mean mean mean people.
i don't think god is mean
Thank you Excathedra!
I'm going to develope my own concept of God and of Jesus Christ. From now on both of them are loving and caring towards ALL mankind. Goodness towards that do good and evil towards those that do evil. Kind of like basic karma 101. I agree with you, I don't think the real God is mean either. Thanks!
I think LCM is terrified of it - probably for good reason - we all know about the guys who yell the loudest about a topic are covering for their attraction to it. That's one possibility.
The other is, I really think, he found about about his wife and Rosie and was enraged and had to direct that anger somewhere...
I think LCM is terrified of it - probably for good reason - we all know about the guys who yell the loudest about a topic are covering for their attraction to it. That's one possibility.
The other is, I really think, he found about about his wife and Rosie and was enraged and had to direct that anger somewhere...
Could it all have been to try to justify his sexual perversion? Trying to show his raping of married women as good and healthy as compared to those perverted homos?
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JavaJane
I remember being told that homosexuals called heterosexuals "breeders" because that was all we were good for - the propigation of the human race.
Right...
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Can't blame that one on lcm's hateful screeds- he didn't make it up,
and he didn't take it out of context.
(For him, that almost qualifies as erudite research!)
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2008/01/marquette-gay-blog-labels-straights.html
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art15370.asp
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14045538/
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Perhaps his Freudian slip was showing.
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he was probably crazy because of donna and that old lady who is in charge
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LCM hardly had any eruite research IMHO. He researched things and made it excathedra for his own selfish reasons. Remember? Eve was a lesbian? He tried to use old painting of a woman and a serpent near a tree with "sexual" connoctations assumed.
The funny thing to me is LCM referred to lesbians as pillow biters, yet my understanding of his adulterous affairs included girl on girl action. That spells hypocrite to me.
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The difference between Wierwille and Martindale:
Wierwille told you what he thought YOU wanted to hear.
Martindale told you what HE wanted you to hear.
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As your links show, while the term "breeders" is correct as far as being a derogatory term used for heterosexuals, to say (as Craig did) that all gays and lesbians use the term is as ludicrous as saying all white people use the n word to describe African Americans.
LCM made it sound (to my teenage, niave ears) as if all the gays and lesbians were working together in a secret underground network to systematically overthrow civilization and make us all homosexual.
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I've heard this before on this forum and the thought is ludicrous. First of all, who would Eve have been a lesbian with?
I heard that they used to recruit women to "service" him before a big speech or presentation. I didn't read that on this forum, I was told by the only ex-Wayfer I personally know.
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Soulsearcher:
LCM said the devil came to Eve in the form of a woman to have lesbian sex with her, and that was man's original sin.
When I heard this is his WAP class, my jaw was hitting the floor. LCM and his butt kissers were so proud of that class because it presented the Word in a better way than the outdated PFAL did. I think he liked shock and awe. I knew people who were just chomping at the bit to hear what LCM had to say or teach (me included
). That class was so full of crap, I'm surprised we couldn't smell it back then.
LCM said his teaching on Eve's lesbian encouter was the reason why VPW's Christian Family and Sex Class didn't take off that well. Supposedly VPW was headed in the right direction with masturbation being the original sin, but it was not quite the answer according to LCM.
Did anyone else hear CF&S and scratch their head every single time they heard the masturbation sin thing and still never get it?
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I can't believe I actually "witnessed" to a guy on an airplane that the original sin was masturbation. Makes me cringe to remember that.
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Nah, he was just planning on using it as a teaching example for Way of Abundance and Power II: The Porno
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I was shocked at how unable I was to spot homosexuals in the early 90s when it seemed craig saw homosexuals around every corner and under every rock - kinda like he did with devil spurts. I was stunned to hear that this cop out and that cop out had been found out to be homosexual and I never had a clue.
Then it was my son and myself that were accused of being homosexual - I knew that I knew that I knew that I was not homosexual and even if we had been, kicking us out was the best they could do to help us? That's when I got a clue of just how wacked craig had become.
Funny thing, within a year of us being kicked out of twi I worked rather closely with a homosexual gentleman - know what? He was so much nicer and easier to get along with than craig ever was - or so many of the craigwannabes in twi - that was the beginning of my thinking for myself and considering more than simply, 'craig said it - that settles it - i believe it!"
It was so embarrassing to be sitting in that rockofages last night meeting where craig lost his mind barking about homos and all the hate he spewed.
Have I mentioned how thankful I am that they kicked us out?
Freedom to think for ourselves - such a beautiful thing!
Today I'm on track to be licensed as a lay minister and fill pulpits for churches without full-time pastors! The church I attend has an organ player that is gay and everyone treats him like - gasp - a normal human being!!! It is such a more pleasant way to live.
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That whole thing was like a version of the Salem witch hunts for gays. Which targeting a group like that is just retarded. Show me where Jesus ever did that on earth. Or any of the apostles.
And whenever you have stupid people on a task of narrowminded witch hunting, you think they will ever make a mistake? You guys were collateral damage.
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bowtwi i cringe and feel ill every time i hear your account so sad
outandaboutie you always make me laugh -- i'm sorry it's not funny but it is in a twisted way. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha did you know the original sin was masturbation? i just can't fathom it. oh god what lunatics we were
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thank you for the light about the snake being a lesbian
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soulsearcher, sadly -- oh i don't know if i even want to get into it
my friend serviced martindale when he visited their wow group branch whatever it was called -- he had her do it while he was on the phone with donna -- it made it more exciting i guess -- must have been a hot teaching that night
i'm sick to my stomach and my heart really did break -- i don't know if it does anymore
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That man was sick and a monster as was VeePee. The current board of dummies knows about this and no doubt so much more and are just as guilty for covering it up and perpetuating the "image" of VeePee. I am really sorry your friend was victimized this way, Excathedra.
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They are guilty of much more than simply covering it up. They were active participants.
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Interesting enough is the idea that king okie's wife was going headlong into a lesbian relationship at the same time that king okie was blathering and screaming about homosexuals...
Martindale was an foot...arrogance without virtue is always annoying. I left twi before the okie put his class out...glad I did...from what I've read and heard, that "class" he did was nothing short of a comedy skit on a second rate billing. Martindale's "knowledge of the word" was non existant and his sprituality was akin to Moe Howard's grasp on brain surgery.
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Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk
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It's very possible the CLM was a repressed bi-sexual man. I'm no Doctor of Pyschology but his actions do stand to question his own sexuality.
I, for one, have gone to extreme lengths to rid myself of this homosexual Debel spirit...fearing hell and all that. I am not a "man-hater" and was never M&A'd. I married to prove to myself that I was delivered and really enjoyed him, but still had my secret fantasies. As a cheerleader and a teenager I remember how suicide would be the only answer.
I thoroughly understand what homosexuals go through in society. The bigotry, hatred, and ignorance is truly unwarranted.
Not one of my homosexual friends or lovers have ever tried to deceive me spiritually or take 10% plus of my income for their personal profit. They have been more loving and caring without conditions placed upon me than any Way Disciple I have dealt with lately. God knows what my sexuality is...I can't hide it from Him; so why hide it at all anymore?
I have read other threads where homosexuality is discussed. Without a doubt I feel homosexuality is genetic. With so much hatred promoted by the majority of the Christian religion, to the point of even murder, "why" would anyone choose to be Gay?
The best advice I have for LCM is to explore his sexual fantasies, but not at the expense of hurting others.
Remember Jim Baker from that Christian TV Network (PTL or something like that)that absolutely hated homosexuals? Turned out that ol' CLM...I mean Jim, was a latent homosexual!
I hope I didn't get off topic.
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excathedra
thank you happygay for your post your thoughts
gay people straight people i don't care
but way people -- leaders -- mean mean mean people.
i don't think god is mean
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Thank you Excathedra!
I'm going to develope my own concept of God and of Jesus Christ. From now on both of them are loving and caring towards ALL mankind. Goodness towards that do good and evil towards those that do evil. Kind of like basic karma 101. I agree with you, I don't think the real God is mean either. Thanks!
Would like to buy you a cup sometime!
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I think LCM is terrified of it - probably for good reason - we all know about the guys who yell the loudest about a topic are covering for their attraction to it. That's one possibility.
The other is, I really think, he found about about his wife and Rosie and was enraged and had to direct that anger somewhere...
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Could it all have been to try to justify his sexual perversion? Trying to show his raping of married women as good and healthy as compared to those perverted homos?
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maybe he had some kind of "experience" when he was an adolescent..
who knows..
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