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On 8/6/2021 at 4:04 PM, Bolshevik said:

I remember now before the last time and most intense of the evening face melt . . . I had shut down.

I was supposed to be witnessing with my Way D sis . . . At some point I just stopped in my tracks and couldn't move.  She started yelling at me but I couldn't here what she was saying.   Just stood there.  Couldn't move.  Zoned out.  Why do we do this?

Later got it from the Limb coordinator.

 

I don't know how anyone participates in this stuff without pure rage as fuel.

There's a claim that, if you put a frog in a pot, and heat the water very, very slowly, the frog won't notice the water getting hot and will boil to death.   (Real frogs will actually notice and jump out.)    The figurative meaning is that people won't notice big changes if they changes are done very slowly. 

A long time ago in twi history, the hippies were the ones doing all the work on the field.  All the people they spoke to, and themselves, made parts of twi very happy places to be.  That lasted until vpw infected those areas with his practices.    The hippies spread the Christian message and healthy practices.  vpw acted as an opportunistic fungus that lived off those people and siphoned health off of them.   AFTER vpw, the fun leeched away to what degree his influence was allowed directly.   In NYC, the worst of it often didn't hit the field, which is why there was so much growth there for a time.   That even lasted- partly through inertia-  through the 80s and lcm's fog years.  When lcm drew his line in the sand and demanded an oath of loyalty to him PERSONALLY  to "follow him BLINDLY" 4/5 of twi jumped ship.  The remaining 20% got MORE legalistic and LESS fun, and that kept continuing as trends.  Right now, twi's basically got legalism and a PRETENSE at fun, but nobody IN twi anymore knows how to have fun!   Oh, a few of the kids may have picked up something from outsiders,  but they're deluded into thinking they have a VOICE in twi.  Nobody's allowed to hand them the microphone, let alone make a policy no matter how brief. 

So, the Way Disciple years were a lot more cheerless than the horror stories of WOWs that come through here, and that's why.

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20 minutes ago, WordWolf said:

Whether it was classes, Sunday Night Teachings,  or the main stage of the ROA,  vpw always sought to be the biggest deal around.  When people got to talking about how this one expert on hunting and stuff was excellent at hunting, vpw couldn't stand someone getting more credit than him, even if it was something about which he was incompetent.   When he overheard that people were saying the guy could stalk and catch anything without it hearing him, vpw went on the microphone (at lunch) and asked, with a skeptical voice, if people really thought the guy could sneak up on him.   When asked later, he clarified that he meant that God Almighty would tell him if someone was sneaking up on him.   But vpw couldn't stand the guy getting a compliment, even if it was about what he was supposed to be teaching them. 

 

Envy . . . Narcissistic Injury . . . Cain and Abel . . . he has to imagine a dream-world scenario in which he always wins . . . which I think there is a word for . . . pathetic

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1 hour ago, WordWolf said:

The guys name was T0m Br0wn.   There´s been some posts about him, so I´ve previously found them and linked them, in the thread with his name on it.

https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/15967-tom-brown/?tab=comments#comment-383937

About half the thread is reposts of vpw and Tom incidents.

 

Thanks WW, this is fascinating. 

It has personality disorder written all over it.

Countless folks did not know what they were aspiring to be.

 

 

 

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On 8/11/2021 at 8:38 AM, Bolshevik said:

WOW always ended in The Rock of Ages.  Obviously that's a marketing strategy . . . but did success really matter? It really served to feed the leader, did it not?

In retrospect, it didn't matter. What mattered to top tier of TWI was that they could control every aspect of your life and blame yourself for the lack of success that was preordained from the beginning. In my case, was it at all realistic to send four outsiders (3 of us city kids) to a small rural town and expect anything but lack of growth? As messed up as my WOW year was, I still drank the Kool-Aid and was involved in a Way Home the next year - even attempted to enter the Way Corps (was saved from that by being unable to scrape together sponsorship $) 

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On 10/4/2021 at 1:16 PM, Oakspear said:

In my case, was it at all realistic to send four outsiders (3 of us city kids) to a small rural town and expect anything but lack of growth? As messed up as my WOW year was, I still drank the Kool-Aid and was involved in a Way Home the next year - even attempted to enter the Way Corps (was saved from that by being unable to scrape together sponsorship $) 

TWI is good at putting unqualified people out to the wolves and calling it letting you walk out on your believing, or growth or some such non-sense. My way disciple "training" was a joke. They sent me to Baton Rouge when I was from the east coast and have lived in NYC/LA - I could have easily gone into any big, gritty city and succeeded. But instead I went to Baton Rouge where we had lousy success except for the group that was LSU campus. This pattern continued throughout my life in TWI. Oh...your a chef? Then we need to assign you to the grounds department so you can grow....make that make sense.

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Well you will be thrilled to know the Way Disciple program is no more.

Announcing registration for the Way Ambassador program.  The best of both programs. New and dynamic.  First wave in 2022.  Oh. Yeah.  The goal is Word Over the World because a new generation has to take the Word to their generation.

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16 minutes ago, penguin2 said:

Well you will be thrilled to know the Way Disciple program is no more.

Announcing registration for the Way Ambassador program.  The best of both programs. New and dynamic.  First wave in 2022.  Oh. Yeah.  The goal is Word Over the World because a new generation has to take the Word to their generation.

:confused:  :doh:  :rolleyes:

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58 minutes ago, penguin2 said:

Well you will be thrilled to know the Way Disciple program is no more.

Announcing registration for the Way Ambassador program.  The best of both programs. New and dynamic.  First wave in 2022.  Oh. Yeah.  The goal is Word Over the World because a new generation has to take the Word to their generation.

Ok - something like Gremlins 2: The New Batch but it’s Suckers for Cults 2: The New Batch…so much for the prevailing word :spy:

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I watched their promo video (well: listened to it, while I did more worthwhile things).  It runs from Aug 2022 to June 2023 and they are sending these "Ambassadors" to areas where there is already an established branch into which they can be "integrated."  So there's a couple of changes.  

Now: why to where there is an established branch?  Is it because (1) after all these years, they realise that sending a bunch of strangers (to each other) to a strange new city (to all of them) isn't actually very helpful; or (2) they can be prodded and spied upon on a daily basis by local leadership.

I'd like to think that it meant that failure was less likely (from the participants' PoV) and that real guidance was on hand locally.  In actuality, I suspect it will mean that participants will be "overseen" and brought under the thumbs of meanie leaders. 

Good luck to 'em all.  Unlikely anyone at the Cafe will be signing up.

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7 hours ago, penguin2 said:

Well you will be thrilled to know the Way Disciple program is no more.

Announcing registration for the Way Ambassador program.  The best of both programs. New and dynamic.  First wave in 2022.  Oh. Yeah.  The goal is Word Over the World because a new generation has to take the Word to their generation.

What? I thought the "word" was over the world?

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2 hours ago, Twinky said:

I watched their promo video (well: listened to it, while I did more worthwhile things).  It runs from Aug 2022 to June 2023 and they are sending these "Ambassadors" to areas where there is already an established branch into which they can be "integrated."  So there's a couple of changes.  

Now: why to where there is an established branch?  Is it because (1) after all these years, they realise that sending a bunch of strangers (to each other) to a strange new city (to all of them) isn't actually very helpful; or (2) they can be prodded and spied upon on a daily basis by local leadership.

I'd like to think that it meant that failure was less likely (from the participants' PoV) and that real guidance was on hand locally.  In actuality, I suspect it will mean that participants will be "overseen" and brought under the thumbs of meanie leaders. 

Good luck to 'em all.  Unlikely anyone at the Cafe will be signing up.

Even without the (likely true) aspect of being "overseen", it makes more sense to have them somewhere where they can possibly have an impact. But TWI leaders will never admit that the old way was wrong when they change to something new. 

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What is an “established branch” nowadays?  A city with one home fellowship with people out of debt and 2 “Bible Studies” with people in debt leading them?

Or now that it's Way 4 are we delivered from that particular category of bondage?  And they are so much more enlightened now?  And we're not going to talk about that anymore?  But you have to be out of debt to go?

I see the new skins.  I see the old wine....

 

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It hit me like a ton of bricks not long ago. I think I was in a form of denial for decades. I was a WOW in California in '76. My Grandmother in CT passed away that year and I didn't go to her funeral because I was 'committed' to not leave the area.

How could I have possibly done that ?  Just thinking of it fills me with shame and remorse. 

 

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43 minutes ago, hiway29 said:

It hit me like a ton of bricks not long ago. I think I was in a form of denial for decades. I was a WOW in California in '76. My Grandmother in CT passed away that year and I didn't go to her funeral because I was 'committed' to not leave the area.

How could I have possibly done that ?  Just thinking of it fills me with shame and remorse. 

 

:cryhug_1_:

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4 hours ago, hiway29 said:

It hit me like a ton of bricks not long ago. I think I was in a form of denial for decades. I was a WOW in California in '76. My Grandmother in CT passed away that year and I didn't go to her funeral because I was 'committed' to not leave the area.

How could I have possibly done that ?  Just thinking of it fills me with shame and remorse. 

 

Hiway29, I have a similar problem - but when it comes to all the dumb decisions I made while in TWI besides the ball-and-chain mindset i had back then - I try to remind myself I was in a faulty frame of mind back then. not making excuses- just giving reasons for what I did or didn’t do.

Years ago i went to a professional counselor - and my first session was mostly  me crying like a baby relating all the screwy decisions and weird experiences while I was in TWI…his words of wisdom were simple - quit beating yourself up over the past. Sometimes I’m my own worst enemy.
 

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Revision with some afterthoughts:


I also wanted to add something – just so I don’t leave anyone in the dark about what my “screwy decisions” were – most of the time it was the bizarre notion that I should have "doing the work of the ministry" as my top priority – even above self, wife and kids. After my WOW year, I had thought about going back to college maybe get a degree in electrical engineering – my wife thought it was a good idea too – but no – I got sidetracked - I kept thinking I should really devote a lot of my time  and energy to "getting The Word moving in our city".

Other regrets I covered with the counselor: spending most of my time and energy running Twigs, witnessing, under-shepherding, running PFAL classes, taking other ministry cases; I had very little quality time and energy left for my wife and kids. Another regret – distancing myself from any family or old friends who weren’t interested in hearing me share “the greatness of God’s word”. Another regret – dropping newcomers like they were a hot potato if they never expressed any real interest in taking the PFAL class. Another regret – thinking I was so much better than "any unbeliever who never took the PFAL class". 


Going forward – I am thankful I left TWI and reprioritized what is most important to me now. My new priorities are simple. I try to be a good husband and a good Dad…I try to be kind and helpful to all who cross my path…I try to appreciate people for their diversity and unique perspective regardless of their belief system…funny isn’t it – I used to belong to a supposedly Christian ministry – but all my new priorities were grievously underrated in The Way International...as what's-his-face-poser "admitted" in the PFAL class "there's something wrong with our scale of values" - boy ain't that the truth!  :evilshades:
 

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wanted to add some afterthoughts...the only time editing is a top priority is when I post
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