Blast From The Past- The Adultery Paper

[WordWolf]

3 hours ago, Charity said:

"the spiritually mature can handle anything and that anything done in the love of God is okay."

This also serves as a form of gaslighting in that if a victim does feel bad afterwards (instead of being "blessed" for having been chosen by the man of God), she has to see herself as spiritually immature for not having enough love of God in the renewed mind.  It's called shifting the blame.

I've read something along the line that if a victim of vp couldn't deal with it, she would be kicked out of the ministry for some made-up reason and then lies are told about her being "off the word" so others will want nothing more to do with her.  

That's where vpw's cadre of sin came in.  First, they procure the victim and get them to go to him in private.  Afterwards, one of them "coincidentally" ran into her as she left, trying to make sense of what happened. This exit counselor, so to speak, can tell her how she was privileged and so on, and watch her for signs of exploding. If she seemed ready to spill the beans on having been raped/sexually assaulted,  then the exit counselor passed word.  Quickly, she's announced as unworthy in some way and kicked off grounds.   This attacks her self-esteem while she's trying to make sense of things, and let's some innocent people possibly see she was kicked out for supposedly some weakness on her part (kept vague, of course.)  She's immediately put on a nice, slow bus.  That's really cheap, and since they're in the middle of nowhere, it will take her a day to reach home if she is close, dayS if she is not. That gives the twi propaganda machine lots of time to contact all the leadership in the person's home area and destroy her reputation.  That way, if she says something to them, they've already "poisoned the well." Furthermore, it isolates her further, damaging her self-esteem even more. 

Any time someone was any kind of liability, twi shoved them on a bus.  Sometimes it meant a person took a WEEK to get home, because they were in no shape to go home alone, and got lost somewhere in the US.  That happened a few times.  lcm documented vpw doing it in his book "VP and Me." (We discussed that in the thread "VP and Me in Wonderland.")   A man in residence evidenced some sort of event- he was incoherent.  Any normal place- where having a fiduciary responsibility to care for people they accepted responsibility for- would have had him taken to a hospital and evaluated.  What did vpw do?  He CONFRONTED the man!  As if this was a sane response.  Then he sent the man home on a bus.  lcm worried about the man getting home, but vpw told him to stop worrying and the man would get home. A WEEK later, he turned up at home. That's the most anyone at twi knew about what happened to the man.  He showed up at home a WEEK later.  I wish we had details about his ordeal, and about what medical situation had happened.  Was it acute malnutrition or sleep deprivation?  Was it some undiagnosed brain condition?   Was it something else? We'll never know, and vpw never cared.   We know at least one woman got sent home (IIRC, after getting raped hitchhiking on LEAD when she was sent alone on someone's vehicle) and she was a mess psychologically when she left.  Nobody cared.  She was in no shape to take care of her connections, and she got lost somewhere in the US. Several days later, she made it home. 

[waysider]

1 hour ago, WordWolf said:

Several days later, she made it home. 

And then there was the one who didn't.

 

 

edit: Different situation, but dealt with in the same manner.

Edited 18 hours ago by waysider
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[Charity]

6 hours ago, Junior Corps Surviver said:

We left not only because he had to write this but because he was fired for it. It made no sense. It made me turn my back on TTW after 15 years. That's how stupidly they handled it.

I get this which makes Schoenheit's "Forward" interesting to read.

"In 1982 or 1983 Rev. Ralph Dubofsky and Rev. Vince Finegan came to me. Dr. Wierwille had asked them to do some work on the subject of adultery. Ralph and Vince wanted to know what I knew and if it would help them. I was genuinely surprised at how little I knew about the subject from the Word of God. This paper is the result of those years of study."

"As I struggled to control my mind, I realized that I did not have a scripture to grab onto for support. I literally was not completely positive as to what the Word of God had to say on the subject."

This was understandable, because after all, vp never taught it in the Christian Family and Sex class so how were people supposed to know.  

[waysider]

59 minutes ago, Charity said:

how were people supposed to know.  

Simple.

Write:

The Teacher

Box 666

New Knockabout, Ohio

[Charity]

9 minutes ago, waysider said:

Simple.

Write:

The Teacher

Box 666

New Knockabout, Ohio

Thanks for the belly laugh waysider .

[Charity]

6 hours ago, WordWolf said:

That's where vpw's cadre of sin came in.  First, they procure the victim and get them to go to him in private.  Afterwards, one of them "coincidentally" ran into her as she left, trying to make sense of what happened. This exit counselor, so to speak, can tell her how she was privileged and so on, and watch her for signs of exploding. If she seemed ready to spill the beans on having been raped/sexually assaulted,  then the exit counselor passed word.  Quickly, she's announced as unworthy in some way and kicked off grounds.   This attacks her self-esteem while she's trying to make sense of things, and let's some innocent people possibly see she was kicked out for supposedly some weakness on her part (kept vague, of course.)  She's immediately put on a nice, slow bus.  That's really cheap, and since they're in the middle of nowhere, it will take her a day to reach home if she is close, dayS if she is not. That gives the twi propaganda machine lots of time to contact all the leadership in the person's home area and destroy her reputation.  That way, if she says something to them, they've already "poisoned the well." Furthermore, it isolates her further, damaging her self-esteem even more. 

Any time someone was any kind of liability, twi shoved them on a bus.  Sometimes it meant a person took a WEEK to get home, because they were in no shape to go home alone, and got lost somewhere in the US.  That happened a few times.  lcm documented vpw doing it in his book "VP and Me." (We discussed that in the thread "VP and Me in Wonderland.")   A man in residence evidenced some sort of event- he was incoherent.  Any normal place- where having a fiduciary responsibility to care for people they accepted responsibility for- would have had him taken to a hospital and evaluated.  What did vpw do?  He CONFRONTED the man!  As if this was a sane response.  Then he sent the man home on a bus.  lcm worried about the man getting home, but vpw told him to stop worrying and the man would get home. A WEEK later, he turned up at home. That's the most anyone at twi knew about what happened to the man.  He showed up at home a WEEK later.  I wish we had details about his ordeal, and about what medical situation had happened.  Was it acute malnutrition or sleep deprivation?  Was it some undiagnosed brain condition?   Was it something else? We'll never know, and vpw never cared.   We know at least one woman got sent home (IIRC, after getting raped hitchhiking on LEAD when she was sent alone on someone's vehicle) and she was a mess psychologically when she left.  Nobody cared.  She was in no shape to take care of her connections, and she got lost somewhere in the US. Several days later, she made it home. 

Thanks WordWolf for filling in the blanks of what I remembered hearing.

[penworks]

If anyone wants to read my first-hand account of being on staff at HQ and talking with John right after he was fired, it's in Undertow, Chapter 54: Clampdown. I got his permission to use his real name in my book.

[waysider]

1 hour ago, penworks said:

If anyone wants to read my first-hand account of being on staff at HQ and talking with John right after he was fired, it's in Undertow, Chapter 54: Clampdown. I got his permission to use his real name in my book.

Thanks. I just put that on my list of re-reads.

[Nathan_Jr]

Does anyone know TWI's current position on this issue? How do they explain the firing of John Schoenheit for rightly dividing the word on adultery? 

Surely, they don't dispute the thesis of his paper.

EDIT: JuniorCorps wasn't alone in leaving over this issue. How does TWI defend against this legitimate reason. They must be prepared. After all, those postcards about "coming home" were sent to former dupes they must know left because for this very reason.

Edited 10 hours ago by Nathan_Jr
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