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I shared a rroom at the Advanced Class Special in 2001 with a married man. His wife couldn't go, and I needed a room. He slept on the sofa bed, and I slept in the bed. He was my Fellowship coordinator too. Our BCs knew we were sharing a room. Funny how leadership doesn't always speak the same thing. The only thing that happened is he talked too much when I was trying to go to sleep. I had to tell him to shut up because I was tired and wanted to sleep. Then I couldn't get his arse up and moving in the morning. He was used to his wife doing everything for him. She even went out ot start his car every morning so all he had to do was jump in and go. He smoked roll-yer-own cigarettes. She even rolled his cigs in the morning. I was not about to do any of that crap for him.

I'm with Excie. Who cares what she thinks? It seems there is some sort unexplained admiration for the woman. I don't know; maybe it's because she was somewhat of a celebrity?? I worked with her, and she didn't impress me. I kind of thought she was snobby. I think she was conceited in her celebrity status in the cult. That's just my 2 cents. I hope Jesus doesn't beat me over the head for my 2 cents.

During my last year on Staff, a couple, who were RCs at one point, told the BOT that they wanted to leave and go out on the field. It was announced in our department that they said they were leaving. No questions were allowed. As a matter of fact, our Dept Coordinator was irritated by the fact that this couple was leaving HQ, and he was even more irritated that people wanted to ask questions. In my humble opinion you don't announce something and then not allow questions. It's stupid as a matter of fact. I've heard that this couple is doing well after leaving, and I'm happy for them. It took a lot of guts to do what YOU wanted to do. There are placement meetings every year. Even those on Staff who are not Way Corps get placed. I was not WC. I spent 5 years at HQ. When I went, I was told to plan 3-5 years. At my placement meeting with my Dept coordinator, I told him I was leaving. He said "I'll make your request known, but be prepared to be asked to stay." I was his administrative assistant. At first, I was considering that I was there to serve, but then I realized I really did not want to be there anymore. I was sick of it and the hypocricy I saw there. I went back and told him that I was not WC, that I served the the maximum amount of time on staff I committed to, and I AM GOING OUT ON THE FIELD. He never saw me off when I left HQ. Oh well....his loss.

We don't eat fast food that often, but I do love Sonic Burger. We have two in our town. Neither one can make an order right (Sonic Burger with Mayo, Tomatoe, and heavy pickle). It's so bad I have the District Manager's cell number on my cell. I've called him so many time only to have him offer free food. I told him I don't want free food, I want it RIGHT. It never happened. I stopped calling him, and I don't eat at Sonic as much. Their loss.....sigh. Customer Service has gone out the window.

They are definitely still in. They are Limb coordinators of Idaho, and they live in Boise.

I bartended at Bennigan's. I made decent money, but don't you think it is ironic that I was there to teach the Bible while I poured drinks? I wish I knew about MOjitos back then.

Vegas is high dollar these days. It's convenient without much planning. You pay for that. As far as the girlfriend mentioning the "M" word, lighten up. You might just like being married. I think marriage ROCKS!!

Transferance: that's interesting. Does anyone else remember Athletes of the Spirit portraying the relationship between minister and his people as a "love" relationship? This kind of struck me odd.

shiftthis, I'm glad you enjoy fellowshipping with The Way. I left in 2002 when I lived in San Diego. My opinion of the leaders and the ministry is different that yours, yet you say the last 7 years have been blissful in The Way. Those last 2 years were just as bad as the previous 15 for me. Maybe the first couple of years weren't that bad, or I wouldn't have become so brainwashed. I couldn't bear getting up in front of people to tell them how blessed I was to be in The Way for 20 years, so I left just short What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to talk someone back in to the ministry? I'll rather drink gasoline than go back. I'm enjoying life without TWI. I like it that way. I'll NEVER go back.

Don't kid yourself, E* O**ding has his share of being bad leadership. I don't believe he subscribed to the adultery/sex thing, but he's a hard a$$ and a diehard for The Way Ministry.

I found a phone number which I believe to be his. The voicemail says "Craig Martindale" just they way we've heard him say it for so many years. Of course, I cannot post that number without being in violation of the rules of this board. I've never called him because I don't know what I would say. So far, it always goes to voicemail. Maybe I will call him and ask him if he heard the latest interview with RD on GSC and how we've heard the REAL story about the so-called fog.

I was never in residence, but I spent 5 years on Staff. One night, an announcement came over Founders Hall that the almighty Rev. Martindale was making a boxing match available on channel 5. That fight was only on premium channels, which we did not have in Founders Hall. I'm sure A/V did something to get it on TWI airwaves. Anyhoo....it was one of the most historical fights ever known in our time. Not because of the awesome fight, but because Mike Tyson ended the match early by biting the guy's ear. :huh: I think it was damn funny. Here LCM was trying to present himself as a huge giver, and the fight ended early because of some stupid maniac.

Sexual abusers never give thought to the affect their actions will have on their victims because they are selfish, cold-hearted bastages who deserve to rot in hell.

OMG, where's the puking icon??? You are unbelievable Oldies. You make up excuses for people who have done evil, and you blame victims. What kind of sickness is that?

Do you agree that people who harm others physically or mentally have responsibility in the harm they cause?

Why are we NOT surprised??? At least you know your opinion counts with one person: yourself.

I thought Sudo was the official pole (tree) dancer.

Geez Oldies.....compassion is due when a person gets to that kind of low.

Comparisons are not considered literals. I think you are being too literal in your point.

When I started this thread, I wasn't implying anything was taught. I was comparing the similarities that MOGS seemed to have in common with Henry VIII. Similarities like feeling entitled to have any woman he wanted. Similarities like take the oath and confess you follow me as the Man of God or else. Similarities like Henry VIII reminding people "I'm the King of England!!!" or the MOG reminding people "I'm the Man of God of our day and time!!!" I'm one who wholeheartedly believes VPW used the ministry as a means to fulfill his lusts. I don't believe for one minute it was about God unless it was convenient for him. Even Rhoda Wierwille told me VPW liked being in the spot light and in a high position. Maybe he liked being "King of The Way"?? LCM became a stark raving lunatic when he demanded people make a decision to follow him or get the hell out. He ranted about them for over 10 years after the fact. He definitely liked being King, but it stressed him out too much. He couldn't really handle it.

No comparison at all....yeah sure. Being kicked out of the ministry you were brainwashed in to believing was GOD ALMIGHTY'S ministry was devastating enough. At least those who had their head chopped off didn't have to deal with the mental bondages after the fact. Oldies, I sure wish you could put yourself in the shoes of those who were hurt. You don't seem to want to give anyone credit who's been hurt at the hand of VPW.

I've been watching The Tudors, a show on Showtime about Henry the 8th. It is a drama based on the time during his life involving all of his wives and the Catholic Church. There are so many similarities in regard to the women belonging to the King. Henry seemed to romp with any woman he pleased even though he was married. In last night's show, he runs into a man in "his" woods while he was out riding. The man had a stunning woman with him. Henry became captivated with the woman, kissed her in front of her husband, and then took her to the castle to have his way with her. What gave him the right? What gave Wierwille, Martindale, or any other leader in TWI the right? The women during Henry the 8th's time were in no position to deny him what he wanted. Even the men had to "allow" it. I'm sure it was the same in TWI. Then Henry made every person in England swear an oath to him to recognize him as the Supreme Head of the Church, and not the Pope. Two men were beheaded because they refused to swear the oath. They were both Catholic leadership who had been in his Court. This all sounds so eerily familiar. The personality of Henry is scarey because I saw the same similarities in LCM's rantings and how he was the Man of God, not Chris Geer. These rantings were even happing 10 years after POP. The mental illness is apparent, and it makes me shiver. The attitude of entitlement, elitism, and MOGness seems to arrive from a royal attitude.

I sent my TC, BC, and LC an email telling them I had no desire to attend fellowship anymore and that I did not want any phone calls or visits from anyone. The BC emailed me telling me it was very sad, and asked if she could talk to me. I said absolutely not, and do not email me anymore. I still had a boyfriend who was in. He brought lots of messages from these "loving" people. It didn't move me, and neither did the boyfriend. He became an ex boyfriend. And I started to live my life after 20 years in TWI. I haven't had any pestilance, peril or sword, and I'm still alive. I'm actually happier today than I've ever been.

I ran across this website some time ago. I started a thread called Wierwille Worshippers. I emailed them and got pat responses from them about how much they exalt Wierwille. Here's what I emailed them: I think your ministry would have so much more meaning if you didn't put Victor Paul Wierwille on such a pedestal. I spent 20 years in The Way International. I don't regret it because I believe it was part of my spiritual journey, and I wouldn't be who I am today because of my experiences. However, I would NEVER encourage anyone to take Power for Abundant Living. There are so many churches out there who teach the love of Christ. Wierwille didn't focus on that. He wanted people to focus on how genius he was. He was an arrogant man who was in ministering for his own deceitful practices. He hurt a lot of women through the years. God bless you, Teresa Here's their response to me: Teresa, Thanks for your input. For clarification purposes, we do not put Wierwille on a pedestal at all. We are keenly aware of his shortcomings. We simply believe that he did make a contribution to the body of Christ (see article inset below) and believe in giving credit where credit is due. Both Rick and I left The Way ministry after only a few short years because of the problems we saw. (Rick and I were involved with The Way from '74-80. At that time I was married to my late husband. You can read my story here: http://www.superheartliving.com/Marthas.html). We take to heart Paul's admonition in Phil. 3:13,14 "...one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus." We have gone on to walk with God and serve him as he has called us to do. Guess we should throw out all Bible references to David and Paul if we're to use the same standard some people have towards V.P. Wierwille. If you read the article carefully, you'll see that we mention that he was not perfect, as are none of us. We have articles on other Christian leaders. And we're not finished adding them. We had to start somewhere. And we chose to start with our Way influence. Even you admit it had a big influence on your spiritual journey. Here's the inset below (from our Wierwille page) what we believe to be the key of why we included Wierwille. Wierwille was all too human, just like the rest of us. The hero of the Way Ministry was not him, but God. But for thirty years Wierwille researched God's Word and then with enthusiasm and conviction shared it with hungry people everywhere. And his stand on God's Word is still touching thousands of lives all over the world. He shows us how to allow God's Word to interpret itself, in the context and the original wording of the text. He will show you how to identify the Bible's figures of speech and recognize the biblical mannerisms and customs. You will really get excited about God's Word! Most of all, Wierwille challenges you to read and study God's Word for yourself. To look beyond your denominational upbringings and ask yourself... "What does God's Word actually say about this?" Today all around the world there are Christians obeying Jesus Christ's command: to live "by every Word that comes out of the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4). If you have not read our "about us" page and our individual pages, you may want to in order to get a feel for where our hearts are: http://www.superheartliving.com/About_Us.html; http://www.superheartliving.com/Ricks.html; and my page was listed above. I am very sorry that some women were hurt by V. P. Wierwille. I have heard such rumors but have yet to meet any of them. I hope these women have received healing and have moved on with their lives. Thanks again for writing us, Teresa. God bless you, Martha www.superheartliving.com