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Well, one thing I am pretty sure of is that Oldies and Johniam were never in Fellowlaborers. Rascal's description is MUCH closer to the reality that existed there.(Mid 1970s, BTW) There was no time to sit and read books. There was scarcely even time to read the Bible! There was no time for scholastic study of The Word. There was no time to take in a movie unless it was part of the program. When Rocky was released we HAD to go into town on a Saturday night( which should have been considered a rare treat) and watch it so we could pick out "spiritual" principles at work. Yeah, like that made it enjoyable. Sure, Oldies, I know we could have "walked away" any time we wanted to.(even though we were in the middle of Podunk, USA) Maybe we could have hung signs around our necks that said"copped out loser" and gone back to our home towns to announce our unfitness for service to God's people while we were at it, huh? It's obvious to me when someone says "you had the freedom to do this or that" that they could not have been in the same program I was in. They "owned" us 24/7. You didn't go anywhere, do anything, say anything, discuss anything or even consider anything unless they said so. Isolationism was a reality, not some *propaganda* that lives in someone's imagination. (And, that was in the so-called "good old days".) Sorry for the rant. I just get sick of people taking a legitimate topic and derailing it to serve their own agenda which may or may not have a blasted thing to do with the topic at hand. NOW!! Can we get back to discussing "other" Christian books?

I have no idea what the tune is but I wanted to jump in and say that I think Marvin and Tammy were perhaps the best matched duo to ever step before a microphone. Their history together was short but oh, what an impact they made!

by Gary Allen ( I think I might still have a copy) He also wrote " None Dare Call It Treason". BTW I predict that when winter arrives, it will be drastically colder( at least where I live) than it was this summer. Hope that comes to pass-------I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm a false prophet or something.

Well, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that maybe the LDO part of the poster's handle are just his initials and not a statement of rank. Just tryin' to give the benefit of a doubt here.

How about "Christian Sex And More Sex"?

Hiya, WG Sorry if my post seemed to imply VP's indulgences caused his cancers. Fact is, though, it's no secret that alcohol abuse can do serious and sometimes irreversible damage to the liver. A damaged liver is compromised in its ability to ward off disease. It's still speculation on my part that his lifestyle was a contributory factor in his destiny (though perhaps in a more indirect than direct fashion.) The idea of cancer having a life of its own is contrary to medical science. Cancer is parasitic in nature. If you remove its source of nutrition it will dissipate. A virus, on the other hand, is a whole other ball of wax. It can hide in the shadows for long periods of time until conditions are conducive for it to make an appearance. Following the logic that having a life of its own is equal to devil possession, you would have to conclude that the presence of a cold sore(caused by a virus) is proof of devil spirits being present. -------------------------------------------------------- Here is a little snip from my Advanced Class notes (circa 1973) (hand written, not in the printed text.) Definition: Power Of Attorney---- (Vp quoted this from a book titled Handbook For Everyday Law and added his own "asides".) "There are occasions when the principle, (Jesus Christ), is not available to carry on his business. He may then execute a general Power Of Attorney authorizing an "attorney- in- fact", (born again believer) as his agent to carry on his business for him." Sounds like the beginnings of the absent Christ doctrine from what I see.

The world is a much more savvy place today than it was 30-35 years ago, especially regarding matters like the one we are discussing. If you produced this class(CF&S) today and presented it to the same types of audiences that viewed it back then, you could possibly be charged with *pandering obsenity* and possibly even *contributing to the delinquency of a minor*. It has been stated by one poster that it is his opinion that VPW would not have presented this sort of thing with minors present. And yet, there is testimony that he, in fact, did present similar material to at least one 14 year old. And, this was a "live and in person" event, not a filmed class session. I was a class instructor for this particular class in the 1970s. There was no disclaimer regarding the content. I think I would remember that detail. The first time I ran it, there was a 14 year old girl signed up to take it. I was apprehensive so I consulted with the leadership above me. They gave me a "canned" response to the effect that "What better place to learn these things than in the safety of the household?" Pretty close to the exact words. I did have one couple walk out one time. They were senior citizens and this stuff was off the charts of what they considered acceptable. They came back for the next session after a long meeting with their twig leader. I was not present and don't know what was discussed in their meeting. You know, The Holocaust has been over for more than 60 years. As long as people continue to deny that it happened, there will be those who speak up and proclaim its reality. Why? Well, maybe in doing so, they can help to prevent a recurrence. Do I hate VP Wierwille? No more so than I hate PT Barnum.

For the record: I never said his cancer was caused by syphilis. I said it would not surprise me to find that his delusions of grandeur were symptomatic of late stage syphilis. BTW: Cervical cancer IS caused by a virus that can be transmitted by human contact. Re: cancer is caused by a devil spirit. That teaching was in the Advanced Class. I have it in my silly-bus notes from 1973. It is hand written and denoted with parentheses.(ie: It is a quote from the live class.) The idea of a particular disease having its origins in workings of the Devil was also taught in that same class. factoid#1. Eye cancer is extremely rare. factoid#2. Cataracts are not a disease. They are caused by a disruption of the metabolic process of the lens.

I have worked, for the past several years, with someone who is a lesbian. I think I know her pretty well. There was nothing there that I think she would see as offensive but I'm NOT going to bring her to GSC to verify that. Not because of the lesbian thing, because of the CULT thing! Of course, that's just one person. Still, I don't think anything said was of malicious intent. Heck, one time she asked me to guess a lesbian's favorite beer. I can't directly tell you the answer so I'll have to beat around the Bush.

I've been know to burn jello, so what do I know? But seriously, I remember these things when I was a kid. It seems like they came with an assortment of soft wood pieces . Soft wood burns very rapidly and easily. Maybe a woodburning tool just isn't made to get hot enough for your intentions.

I'd be more inclined to compare him to somebody on "D@teline-- To c@tch @ pred@tor" than anyone of Biblical fame. But maybe that's just me.

"Maybe he just quit believing." What a crock of hooey! The man indulged himself with known carcinogens in a very, very large fashion. Why would anybody be surprised at his destiny? A life of its own? Well, herpes is caused by a virus(which has a life of its own) so maybe that next cold sore one gets is really a debuhl spirt manifesting itself in the senses realm. I suggest that anyone who still struggles with this issue read the article here on GSC that deals with the dilemma of VPW's death. He!!, it wouldn't surprise me to find that his delusions of grandeur were symptomatic of late stage syphilis. Not saying that is the case, just saying it wouldn't surprise me. (given his known track record of promiscuity) For the record, I never knew he died of cancer until I started lurking at Grease Spot. And, I asked many people who should have had the inside scoop.(and probably did.) Why is that? Gee, maybe because that basic piece of info was shrouded in secrecy? The man died as a result of his self-destructive indulgences. *Believing* doesn't have a blasted thing to do with it. "Oh, but he fought the good fight--blah, blah, blah" His body paid the price for the abuses he subjected it to. There is nothing deeply spiritual or philosophical about it. IMO!

Someone said, "Where does it say a prophet can't make a mistake?"( regarding prophesy) Let me see now----Oh yeah, now I remember, it was in the O.T. Of course, the context is talking about a "prophesy" failing to come to pass. Funny, it didn't mention "disclaimers". It's cited in "the class" for anyone industrious enough to dig it out. Was he a teacher, a prophet,-------- a puppet, a pirate, a pawn or a king? Lest we forget, we are using VP's definitions of these things to identify them. How about if we just say he was a *phony* and leave it at that? That way the word *phony* can function as a noun instead of an adjective.

I am well aware that the medical community uses "trimester" demarcations to measure progress of development and monitor various aspects of the health of both mother and child. I don't have a problem with that. As to the offer of a pdf of the magazine article, I will decline. My reasoning is this: Even if it has some wonderfully educational information in it, it simply does not represent the mainstream teachings and practices of TWI. To imply that it does is erroneous. It might be a wonderful article, I don't know. I have nothing personal against David C. nor am I proposing that what he presented is without merit. Even if I had the article right in front of me and agreed with it completely, it still would NOT be representative of what was commonly accepted among the membership ranks of The Way. The heart of the issue is that the overwhelming majority of "believers" accepted the "1st breath--- last breath" idea as being the "rightly divided Word." And why wouldn't they? It can straight out of the PFAL class which was supposed to be the epitome of the "rightly divided Word".

Ya know----You really have to read between the lines on that snopes link. It seems the "photos" are actually digitized images of what the trucks could look like if you decided to follow the prescribed method of altering them. BUT!! If you scroll down, you find two actual photographs of trucks that have been given this "treatment"----The Pringle's truck and the Pepsi truck. SO!!! The photos are not real but the possibility of making a truck look like this is.

Rottie I have only ridden a horse one time and that was 50 years ago. BUT--- I have a friend(former co-worker) who, along with his kids, "rodeo'ed" for years. Currently he has a feed business and an on-line site. He has a lot of everyday, real-life kind of knowledge about horses. His web site is mostly about how to buy your first horse and proper nutrition. I know that is not what you are looking for but he has an e-mail function and he is a a very helpful kind of guy. I see him a couple times a week so if you think you might want to communicate with him, send me a pm and I will give you his www. I think it's pretty cool you are doing something for "yourself".

Once, when I sat down to eat my lunch, I closed my eyes and said," Father, thank you for blessing this tuna fish sandwich and removing all the impurities--- In Christ's name, amen." When I opened my eyes, the plate was empty. There's an analogy in there someplace. Maybe it's hiding behind the pickle slice and 'tater chips.

Mr. Miller Did you mean to say "When *my friend* breaks a *G* string-------"? Hey, Jonny, There's a link to a really cool interview with Jerry McCain on the Harp-L website archives. At least that's what a friend told me.

This, Mr. Hamm, is a good example of why I think it is a good idea for people to take some time when first coming to GSC to look at some of the background information and editorials BEFORE jumping right into the discussions. There is also a whole thread that discusses this subject of Dottsie staying with VP. Sorry, didn't mean to stray from the initial premise of the thread," False prophet or---------------?"

A "friend of mine" who plays harmonica, told me it is best not to advertise the fact.(That you play the harmonica) According to "my friend", people are liable to say things like,"You really BLOW!" or the alternate, "Hey, man, you really SUCK!" I am never really sure---- errr---- he is never really sure whether to thank them for the compliment or smack them upside the head between their eyes. Better to stay in the closet and keep that harp hidden in your pocket. Not that I would know, myself, but that's what my "friend" told me.

The piece by David Craley that you cited may or may not be an interesting read. I wouldn't know. I never read it. Never even heard of it before. I venture to say that most people on GSC have never read it either though I don't know that for a fact. Point is, it's meaningless to cite a work that few people are likely to be aware of and then say," This represents the The Way Ministry's stance on the abortion issue." It doesn't. It represents David Craley's stance on the abortion issue.( or at least certain aspects of his stance.) The Way Ministry's stance on the issue of abortion has been, for many years, been based on the teaching of Dr. Wierwille, that life begins with the first breath and ends with the last. This line of thinking started in PFAL in the made, formed, created session, was fortified in the CF&S class and permeated countless other teachings of VP Wierwille. Stated in the simplest way I know, TWI( in the large scope of the entirety of the organization) took the position that a fetus is not "alive" until it draws its first breath. That is not a pro or con assessment ,in and of itself, of whether abortion is an acceptable practice. (ie: is it morally right or wrong?) It's a simple statement that the first breath concept was, by far, the most widely taught and accepted concept regarding abortion among the members of The Way International.

HIC!---I shtaand corrected. HIC!---errr--- I would if I could shtaaand.----HIC!

Hmmmm! The air we breath is primarily Nitrogen.(78%) About 21% is oxygen. The other percent is made up of argon, carbon dioxide and some small quantities of other gases. So the question that piques my curiosity is ---------WHY???? Why would it be a good thing to do something that is so contrary to the natural balance our bodies are programmed for? I'm with you on the "real bar' thing, my friend. At least there, you're not too likely to encounter someone who will extol the health benefits of a Jose Cuervo diet.

Socks said "Wayons". HeHe--HeHe

David I'm not quite sure why you feel you were "snookered". Your premise was that these are genuine. According to what i saw on Snopes, they are. You thought they were painted on the truck. I thought they were painted on the *cozy*. We were both wrong about the technique . That sidewalk one is super cool, especially the one with the hose and flowing water.